Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:52:21 +0100
From: Morten 
To: msahuva@micro1.mscc.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: Paper on AGM

Ahuva - am I too late?

I read the responses you've had so far, and I agree to many 
of the things others have said. I only have short comments.
Reading through what I have written, I seem like a cynic, and 
maybe I am.Don't use all of it if you don't like it.

*klem*
Morten

My replies:
 
> -why is the anti flame rule so important to AGM?  How is the 
> AGM community shaped so that flaming is considered a serious 
>offense? (or as serious as  they come in a newsgroup...)

People on AGM are there because they feel AGM is a "safe" and friendly 
place. The newsgroup is a net home. You don't want a war in your home.
We're all net family, so we don't fight. Fighting leads to unsecurity.
Feeling at home and feeling unsecure are uncompatible feelings. 
 
> -How did AGMers deal with the "invasion"?  (i.e. this mailing list that
> evolved, suggestions to move AGM to another name, deciding to just 
> ignore, and the side issue of what happened with Karl.)

How did I react? I mostly ignored the intruders. But I also became more 
reserved towards newbies. I don't usually greet newbies, because there 
are so many people that need attention. But during this period I read 
the newbie posts with suspicious eyes to see if they were fake or real:).

Re: moving AGM to another newsgroup:
People on the mailing list weren't positive to this suggestion, and it 
was never a real alternativ.
I didn't think it was a big deal. The name and place doesn't matter, it's 
the people that make AGM. If we temporarily had to relocate, that would 
have been ok with me. But it probably wouldn't have been possible to 
"hide", given search tools like deja news. So we did the best we could 
have done, kept ignoring them. In the end, they got tired of flaming each 
other and left. 

Re: Karl:
Karl got our advice but didn't take it. He could have ended it earlier 
if he wanted to.  There were people on AGM that weren't sure whether 
he was "real or fake". I'm afraid I feel he never became part of the 
AGM family.
 
> - What were the healing proccesses that occured in the group?  (I was
> thinking along the shape picture created by Alex and Morten and 
> others, and Phil's "dangerously inclined to Eggplant" continuos post.) 

I got the impression that AGMers felt a need to communicate more 
through email and talkers during the flames period. 
I and others posted neutral and/or positive posts just to make sure 
the good/bad ratio was high:).
 
> - Any aftermath effects.

We've seen that AGM lives on, even after an attack like this. 
We know we're strong enough, and we know the rule worked.
I think the people who "lived through it" feel like a tighter unit.
"We've been through good and bad together":).
And I think it helped keeping the size of the group at a manageable 
level.


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